Published on November 10, 2025 5:05 AM GMT
2025-11-10
Disclaimer
- Quick NoteTarget audience - Anyone curious about this topic. I've tried making myself more comprehensible here.I have never spoken to Duncan Sabien, and I might end up reinterpreting his concepts in ways he doesn't like or agree with. If he's reading this, he can correct me.
Colour wheel
Duncan Sabien's colour wheel tries to classify both individual personalities, and movements and organisations, using the same system.
If you don't want to read the full article, here is the summarised classication
- Green - Seeks harmony through acceptanceWhite - Seeks peace through orderBlue - Seeks perfection through knowledgeBlack - Seeks satisfaction through ruthlessnessRed - Seeks freedom through action
I asked gpt-5 to make a list of popular political ideologies and classify them on Duncan Sabien's colour wheel.
You might have minor disagreements with which ideologies are popular versus not, and you might have minor disagreements with some of the classifications, but mostly this makes sense to me.
Which colour are you?
The best way to identify which colour you are is by looking at your own life decisions where you have sacrificed something of value. Look at revealed preferences not stated preferences.
Here's my list of Duncan Sabien's social dark matter
- DeathSexClose relationships (especially conflicts in them)Morality and politicsMoneyPhysical and mental health
What is your attitude towards death, sex, close relationships, morality and politics, money, and physical and mental health, as shown by your life decisions?
I will also include the following, as they're among the most important life decisions one can make.
- How you spend your time and money - which projects, activities and people get it?Which city you live in
Examples of life decisions and which colour they may indicate
(Note that being Green does not strongly indicate you will donate to environmental non-profit for example, but donating to environmental non-profits strongly indicates you are Green)
- Green
- If you follow a strong deontological moral codeIf you donate your money to environmental non-profitsIf you are typically the peacemaker rather than picking sides, when two of your close relationships enter a conflict with each otherIf you follow a political ideology that is Green
- If you stay in a job you tolerate but don't love, because your parents ask you toIf you freely loan your money and time to people within your communityIf you plan to marry and have kids, and disprefer casual or non-monogamous relationship stylesIf you follow a religion or ideology that is White
- If you join academia or a lower-paying job, but the job satifies your curiosityIf you shift cities or distance yourself from a partner to join academia or lower-paying curiosity-satisfying jobIf you obsess over pursuit of scientific knowledge via reading papers or blogs, to the point where it causes social isolation or degrades your mental healthIf you follow a political ideology that is Blue
- If you work on a startupIf you are working on projects that may cause some harm, like working on a gambling appIf you shift cities or distance yourself from people, in order to live with other people who also seek powerIf you follow a political ideology that is Black
- If you travel a lot because you intrinsically love travelIf you pick an unusual relationship style, such as polyamoryIf you have distanced from parents, partner or a job, because you found them controllingIf you follow a political ideology that is Red
Blacks rule
In a sufficiently competitive society, IMO primarily Black people get power.
- There will always be people who care deeply about acquiring power, who are willing to endure a lot of personal suffering to acquire it, who are willing to make acquiring power their number one life priority, and consistently do this for decades.If you are not one of those people, you will probably be outcompeted by someone who is, over a long time period. Over a long time period, you probably will just get what you want badly enough.
Political implications
- This means non-Black people are typically ruled by Black people who are their nearest neighbour on the colour wheel.Often there is deception involved. For instance fascists may pretend to be religious in order to get the religious votebank, and authoritarians may pretend to be communists in order to get the communist votebank
Non-blacks ruling blacks
- A population with majority being traditional religious people (White Green) is typically ruled by fascists (Black White)A population with majority being classical liberals (White Blue) is typically ruled by transhumanists and neoliberals (Black Blue). They may also be ruled by fascists (Black White)A population with majority being communists and socialists (Red White) is typically ruled by authoritarians (Black Red)
Blacks ruling blacks
- A population with majority being neoliberals is typically ruled by other neoliberalsA population with majority being fascists is typically ruled by other fascistsA population with majority being transhumanists is typically rules by other transhumanistsI don't know of any societies that were primarily ruled by libertarians or anarchocapitalists, so I'm ignoring those Black ideologies here.
I have not shared examples because they're political sensitive, especially where I live right now. If you think a few minutes, you can probably think of examples for all of these.
My personal views, and transhumanism
Me
- I'm personally Blue Black, with Blue being primary.I used to have a shade of Red too, but that is fading.I am a neoliberal.I am not a transhumanist, but I wish I could be.I have now classified all my close relationships (friends, family, etc) in this system, and it makes intuitive sense to me how this is useful when we have political discussions.
Transhumanist politics
- History and present
- I think societies ruled by neoliberals (black blue) have historically done better than societies ruled by authoritarians (black red) and fascists (black white).I think transhumanists (black blue) are increasingly replacing neoliberals, fascists and authoritarians as the most powerful political force on Earth.IMO this is a problemNeoliberals have figured out stable political systems (like free markets and representative democracy) within which they can compete for power, but transhumanists have not figured out stable political systems within which they can compete for power.
- The default outcome of technologies like human genetic engineering and artifical superintelligence is to break both markets and democracy.Markets and democracy rely on informed consent, which only makes sense when the intelligence gap between both agents is narrow. Large intelligence gaps break this, as extreme persuasion can manufacture consent.Markets and democracy rely on many unintelligent people keeping a few intelligent power-seeking people in check. This breaks down if the few can become too powerful and too intelligent too quickly.Democracy relies on free speech and free flow of ideas to ensure that good values are spread in society. This breaks down when you can directly engineer your values into other agents by messing with their code (in case of digital minds) or genes (in case of human genetic engineering).
- One response to this threat is to simply preserve neoliberalism, by banning both artificial superintelligence and human genetic engineering.To enforce a ban, you have to build a coalition between many actors, who are not Blue Black like transhumanists are. (A major motivation for me to write this post was to understand people's views across the political spectrum, to figure out how to communicate with them more effectively, or how to think about political alliances, and so on.)On the timescale of a century however, I'm unsure how stable a ban will be. It is useful to invent new systems of governance to handle transhumanist technologies.
- I have noticed that when I have discussions with people around new systems of governance:Blue Black power-seekers like me typically propose a system of power-seeking actors threatening mass violence on each other.
- Historical examplesSupporting gun laws and supporting keeping guns illegally, if you country does not legally allow guns.Supporting the post-WW2 world order that keeps peace via states threatening nuclear war on each other.Most neoliberal policy is blue-black, it assumes unrestrained competition via free market is good, and the harms and externalities of this competition are acceptable or can be mitigated later on.Industrial revolution and subsequent colonisation of the world by the British EmpireEnglish becoming the universal language, as countries that don't use English can't compete. (Chinese and French play this role to a smaller extent.) Singapore mandated English, India prioritised it, most of south east Asia didn't prioritise English and this is hinderingChina and US leading the world on many zero-to-one technologies, due to atheist culture in their top research institutes.
- Historical examplesInternational treaties to ban human gene cloning or CFCs for ozone depletionDeregulation, reducing licensing and zoning restrictions in housing and various industries, while not eliminating regulation completelyCarbon credit systemInflationary monetary supply and the eurodollar system to loan dollars to foreign govtsVenture capitalist ecosystem funding fundamental R&D for transhumanist technologies like anti-aging
- Historical examplesOpen source movement in the software industry such as Linux, the Free Software Foundation or Github todayDemocratising scientific knowledge via internet such as Arxiv, internet archive, libgen, bittorrentOpen sourcing specific hard tech like drones or robotics or pharmaceutical manufacturingFocus on decriminalisation and harm reduction for hard drugsCypherpunks movement that was pro-encryption and privacy, and lead to Tor, Signal and blockchain.
- They generally accept neoliberalism will continue, and have a neutral stance towards it.My ability to pass ITT for Blue Green people is pretty bad, so I am going to skip this section entirely.
Discuss
