New Yorker 10月10日 04:54
艾米·波勒的播客《Good Hang》:舒适、真诚与友谊的力量
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艾米·波勒凭借其广受欢迎的播客《Good Hang with Amy Poehler》巩固了她在好莱坞的受欢迎地位。该播客延续了她在《公园与游憩》中 Leslie Knope 的阳光、真诚和对女性友谊的关注。节目以轻松亲密的访谈形式,邀请明星好友畅谈生活点滴,常常引出感人至深的对话。例如,Aubrey Plaza 在播客中首次公开谈论丧偶之痛,Andy Samberg 也分享了对逝去同事的哀思。节目的温馨布置和波勒的善意引导,营造了一个让嘉宾卸下心防的舒适空间。尽管有时显得过于乐观,但《Good Hang》提供了一个独特的平台,让观众得以窥见明星们更自然真实的一面,也体现了女性在表达情感和支持方面的力量。

🌟 **播客的“舒适区”效应**:艾米·波勒的《Good Hang》播客通过营造一个温暖、熟悉的访谈环境,成功吸引了众多明星嘉宾。这种“舒适区”不仅体现在节目轻松的氛围和波勒真诚的互动上,还通过温馨的节目布景(如假植物、霓虹灯和柔和色调)来强化,使得明星嘉宾能够卸下防备,展现更真实的一面。这种对嘉宾舒适度的关注,使得节目在竞争激烈的播客市场中脱颖而出,甚至一度超越了《乔·罗根体验秀》。

💖 **真挚友谊与情感深度**:节目的一大亮点在于波勒与其明星好友之间深厚的友谊。她使用亲昵的昵称,并回忆共同的经历,使得对话充满真实感。这种亲密关系促使嘉宾分享极其私人的情感,如Aubrey Plaza 在丈夫去世后首次公开谈论丧偶之痛,以及Andy Samberg 对失去《神烦警探》的联合主演Andre Braugher 的哀思。波勒的倾听和支持,甚至让多位嘉宾在节目中感动落泪,展现了播客在情感连接上的强大力量。

👍 **女性主义视角与轻松叙事**:波勒巧妙地将女性主义的理念融入轻松的播客形式中。她认为,女性在表达情感和支持他人方面承担了更多期望,而《Good Hang》则提供了一个让女性能够自由表达的空间。节目延续了《公园与游憩》中鼓励成长和庆祝女性友谊的精神,通过“说好话”环节,强调了对朋友的欣赏和支持。尽管这种持续的积极能量和赞美有时可能显得有些单调,但它反映了波勒希望通过乐观和关怀来连接观众的意图。

💡 **播客作为新媒体的优势**:与传统电视访谈相比,《Good Hang》提供了一小时的深度交流时间,远超深夜节目的短暂篇幅。这使得嘉宾有更多机会深入探讨话题,展现更全面的自我。波勒利用其行业人脉,成功邀请到如Tina Fey、Kristen Wiig 和Quinta Brunson 等重量级嘉宾,并能就女性创作者面临的压力等议题进行有深度的讨论。虽然波勒避免触及敏感话题,但其灵活的访谈技巧和对嘉宾的尊重,仍然使得节目能够提供独特的见解和令人舒适的观看体验。

Amy Poehler may be the most-liked woman in Hollywood. Her latest project, the mega-popular podcast “Good Hang with Amy Poehler,” certainly encourages that impression. It’s perhaps her biggest platform since the hit series “Parks and Recreation,” in which she played the idealistic bureaucrat Leslie Knope, went off the air a decade ago. And while many of her former co-stars have branched out into new territory—Aziz Ansari by reinventing himself as a melancholy romantic in “Master of None,” Adam Scott by proving his dramatic chops as a man at war with himself in “Severance”—Poehler has leaned into Leslie’s vibes: sunniness, earnestness, a focus on female friendship and uncomplicated feminist values. Those qualities are amply evident in “Good Hang,” which launched in March and shot to the top of the charts even in a thoroughly saturated market. At one point, it dethroned “The Joe Rogan Experience” as the No. 1 show on Spotify.

“Good Hang,” like “Rogan,” is a video podcast; each week, Poehler sits across a blond-wood table from a celebrity or two. The casual intimacy of her interactions with famous friends is an undeniable part of the show’s appeal. She uses nicknames for her longtime pals: Tina Fey is “Betty,” Kathryn Hahn is “Hahnsy,” Rashida Jones is “Bones.” Occasionally, she holds a guest’s hand. There’s no doubt that “Good Hang” is curated, but the shared history between Poehler and many of her subjects helps the conversations feel real—and can yield genuinely poignant exchanges. After Aubrey Plaza’s husband died by suicide, she spoke publicly about the loss for the first time via the podcast. Plaza, who has known Poehler for practically her entire professional life, dropped her usual witchy persona and talked candidly about the “giant ocean of awfulness” of widowhood. Andy Samberg, too, was unguarded about his grief following the death of his “Brooklyn Nine-Nine” co-star Andre Braugher. Poehler is so disarming, in fact, that multiple interviewees—Seth Meyers, the “Broad City” creators Ilana Glazer and Abbi Jacobson—have teared up while expressing what her support has meant to them.

Such emotional moments aside, Poehler keeps the mood light by design, and the look of the show reflects her desire to set her guests at ease. The studio is decorated with cozy, millennial-coded touches: fake plants, neon signs, pastel accents. It resembles the kind of startup space where employees are invited to bring their dogs—even if Poehler, who believes that “rules are what make things fun,” is adamantly against pets in the workplace. (Dakota Johnson and Plaza brought theirs anyway.)

Poehler seems to have been inspired by audiences rediscovering “Parks and Rec” as a comfort watch during the pandemic—a development she mentions more than once—and it’s easy to see the connective tissue between the series and the podcast. “Parks” was an office comedy defined by its optimism about people’s capacity for growth, and on “Good Hang,” stars tend to reminisce about their early—and thus most relatable—experiences. There are constant, if generic, paeans to female solidarity, in the spirit of Galentine’s Day, the holiday that Leslie invented to celebrate the women in her life, and each episode opens with Poehler calling up a guest’s loved ones to “talk well” behind their back. Ostensibly, the exercise is about helping her to generate questions; mostly, it’s an opportunity to rhapsodize about the woman or man of the hour. (Jeremy O. Harris on Natasha Lyonne: “This, like, wild intelligence and wild generosity combined into this atomic bomb of the ideal friend.”) All this flattery appears to be sincere—a version of the hyper-specific, borderline-surreal praise that Leslie piled on her bestie, Ann. But the unrelentingly positive energy, like the inflated compliment culture of Hollywood as a whole, begins to grate.

“Good Hang” is aware of its own insubstantiality. In the introductory episode, Poehler mounts a feminist case for her lightheartedness: women, she says, are expected to be selfless and wise and speak out about issues like menopause, while men—presumably the hosts of other celebrity-on-celebrity interview podcasts, such as “Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend,” Dax Shepherd’s “Armchair Expert,” and Will Arnett, Sean Hayes, and Jason Bateman’s “Smartless”—are extolled for just shooting the shit. Poehler isn’t a journalist, and that fact is both the show’s strength and its weakness. Her industry connections and insights can play to her advantage; the most compelling episodes feature kindred spirits like Quinta Brunson, with whom Poehler discusses, for example, the unfair pressure on female writers and actors to represent their communities in ways that are somehow both grounded and aspirational. She also lands long chats with generally press-shy stars, including Fey and Kristen Wiig. But, unlike a reporter, she’ll avoid touchy subjects with someone who’d rather not go there. (Lyonne came on the show a few weeks after a story about her generative-A.I. studio sparked significant backlash; Poehler, who routinely chats with guests about new projects, doesn’t mention the venture.)

Much has been made of the way traditional late-night TV may soon be supplanted by podcasts and gimmick-based series such as “Hot Ones” and “Chicken Shop Date,” which have been lauded for getting “authentic” responses from media-trained celebrities. On Poehler’s show, however, there’s a clear divide between the stars she already knows and those she doesn’t. Her “yes, and . . .” gameness, honed through decades as a sketch comedian, makes her a flexible conversationalist, but it isn’t always enough to draw out actors who are merely going through the motions of promotional duty. The enforced levity means some of these discussions never progress beyond pleasant small talk. I could go the rest of my life without hearing Poehler ask another guest about their sleeping habits, let alone posing such queries to Michelle Obama.

Still, the hour-long format of “Good Hang”—a stark contrast to the seven or eight minutes allotted to celebrities on a late-night couch between commercial breaks—offers a reminder that even A-listers need time to open up. There’s something comforting about the spectacle of their comfort. And if a risk-free, stars-only safe space is the sole way to glimpse them in a more naturalistic mode, that seems to be a trade-off that millions are willing to make. ♦

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