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生物神经元分布式网络:实现意识永存的新途径
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文章提出了一种保存意识并实现“永生”的新思路,即通过先进的纳米技术将生物大脑中的单个神经元或神经元集群进行空间隔离,并利用数字通信线路取代神经元间的轴突连接。这种分布式网络将大脑扩展至数百公里范围,同时保持其原有功能和速度。该方案旨在解决数字上传意识的真实性问题,通过保留活体生物神经元作为意识载体,并允许其被克隆、备份和修复。文章还探讨了该方法的成本、技术可行性以及潜在的反驳意见,并将其与两种类似概念进行了比较。

🧠 **意识的生物载体与数字桥梁:** 文章的核心在于提出一种“生物上传”的新模型。它设想利用纳米技术将构成大脑的生物神经元分离,并将它们放置在广阔的空间区域(如100x100公里)内,通过数字通信线路模拟神经元之间的轴突连接。这样,意识的载体依然是活体生物神经元,但其物理连接方式被数字信号所取代,从而为解决意识上传后的“真实性”和“同一性”问题提供了一种新的视角。

💡 **分布式网络的优势与可行性:** 这种分布式网络设计旨在克服传统上传方式可能带来的意识丧失风险。通过将神经元置于独立芯片上并进行数字连接,可以实现大脑的备份、复制和修复,大大提高了“永生”的可行性。文章还提及了现有的技术进展,如“脑器官芯片”,证明了部分概念的可行性,并探讨了通过批量处理(如皮层柱)来降低成本的可能性。

🛡️ **应对反驳与未来展望:** 文章预见并回应了关于意识是否仅仅依赖于神经元、以及分布式网络是否会破坏全局量子或电磁效应等反驳意见。它假设意识的复杂性主要存在于神经元内部,而非其间的间隙,从而支持了通过数字桥梁连接的有效性。尽管承认该方案成本高昂且仍有哲学上的不确定性,但它被视为解决人类长期生存问题的一个重要探索方向,并与其他生物上传概念(如“空白脑器官上传”和“人工神经元上传”)进行了比较。

Published on October 9, 2025 3:19 PM GMT

TL;DR: We can solve the problem of preserving consciousness during mind uploading by preserving my living biological neurons and their connectome in a spatially distributed network spanning hundreds of kilometers. Individual neurons can be later cloned or repaired.

There is a problem: we don't know if digital uploads will be truly conscious, and even if they are conscious, will they have my consciousness? However, we want uploading as it is the only long-term solution for the immortality problem, because uploads can be copied, backed up, and repaired. Some people argue that transhumanists will "kill everyone" by replacing living humans with digital p-zombies and thus their desire for immortality is deadly. While we can address these concerns via philosophical arguments about functionalism, they will never be sufficient.

Here I suggest a way to escape the problem by preserving living biological neurons as supposed carriers of consciousness, but placed far from each other and connected via digital means instead of axons. The procedure in a nutshell is the following:

After we can create biological copies and we can store some copies "frozen" as an archive in case of catastrophes.

The distributed biological brain is almost indestructible as any neuron can be cured or replaced, and only a large meteorite strike or electricity collapse can kill all of them.

If the whole scheme seems extremely expensive but philosophically sound, we can find ways to make it cheaper. One way is to distribute large groups of neurons like cortical columns. Anyway, the whole scheme assumes advanced nanotech.

Single neurons on a chip and brain organoids-on-a-chip already exist. Cortical Labs released CL1, which is a biocomputer using 800,000 lab-grown human neurons interfaced on a silicon chip. Each chip costs $35,000, with a cloud version at $300 per week.

Counterarguments:

1 Consciousness depends not on neurons and synapses, but on something which is destroyed via such "brain distribution:"

A) Global quantum effect is disrupted. Some may say that morphological quantum fields between neurons – or whatever quantum woo you have except microtubules, as they will be mostly in place in neurons – will change, but if it is measurable, we will emulate it too.

B) Global electromagnetic effect is disrupted. Neurons affect each other not only via axons but via global electromagnetic fields.

C) Axons are needed for consciousness. Also, one may argue that consciousness is inside axons but not neurons, or that axons are sending something more than just information about spikes, like spin or some other quantum property.

We assume that some simpler ways of communication between neurons like neurotransmitter gradients, direct connections, blood vessels, glia, blood sugar, and oxygenation are also emulated together with spike potential.

In other words, the main assumption is that the whole complexity is inside neurons, but not in the gaps between them. This allows us to "cut" the brain into high-complexity regions with low-complexity communication between them. If there is no decline of complexity in the gaps between neurons, the whole idea is doomed.

2 There will still be doubts about the sameness and consciousness, similar to uploading. While such doubts will be smaller, the price of biouploading will be astronomical. A project like this could easily cost hundreds of billions of dollars per person. Even if nanotech makes it very cheap, it will still take a lot of land, which has a price. In other words, we pay a lot but do not solve our philosophical doubts. Most people will have to choose between cheap uploading or even cheaper LLM-sideloading – or death.

However, if we can solve uploading once, we can gain philosophical insights and also limit our uncertainty about the true carrier of consciousness.

Two Similar Ideas:

Another similar idea is biouploading-to-blank-brain-organoid: we take a "blank" brain – maybe a brain specially grown for that from my stem cells, but without any experiences (it should be regarded as a large organoid) - and copy my connectome structure and synaptic weights into it.

Biouploading into "artificial neurons" ­- here we do not use real biological neurons but use instead analog electric models of living neurons, which are small condensers with some internal wiring. In some sense they are similar to vacuum tubes, which are famous for their warm sound.



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