Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about Trump 2.0 and wealth inequality. They discuss the horseshoe theory, illiberalism on the Right and the Left, the fallout of the Trump-Epstein controversy, cracks in Trump’s cult following, the difference between MAGA activists and average republican voters, why the Democrats still haven’t course-corrected, problems with the “abundance agenda,” socialism and economic populism, the pitfalls of the far-left’s approach to solving wealth inequality, Israel’s standing on the world stage, and other topics.

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