在这次深入的访谈中，马特和克里斯难得地放下了计算亿万富翁津贴的工作，专注于与挑战性采访者托马斯·德斯波利扎对谈的加里·史蒂文森。他们探讨了史蒂文森的复杂性，他既是一位揭示他们不想让公众知道的经济学和数学天才，也是一位务实但无私的政治活动家，在追求紧迫改革时牺牲了细节（和自己）。尽管史蒂文森坚称自己讨厌名声，不想推广他的畅销书或成为受欢迎的YouTuber，但他还是提醒我们他在街上被认出的频率和他频道每月获得的数百万观看量。这些令人沮丧的导师陈词滥调，以及他对政治家、经济学家、学者、记者、媒体、他以前的同事……甚至图表的信任问题的宽泛声明，都令人熟悉。史蒂文森关于日益增长的贫富差距在经济和政治上不可持续的核心信息是一个重要的信息。他能够向广大受众传达这个问题的严重性可能是有益的。因此，批评不在于他的既定目标，而在于他导师式的包装和不愿处理复杂性。幸运的是，有一个解决方案……加里。只有他和他的YouTube频道才能拯救你的孙子孙女免受赤贫和奈杰尔·法拉奇的影响。如果你怀疑他，只需看看他为自己和银行做出的惊人预测……或每月的观众统计数据。哦，我们提到他拥有伦敦政治经济学院的教育背景了吗？

🌟 加里·史蒂文森是一位复杂的角色，他既是一位揭示他们不想让公众知道的经济学和数学天才，也是一位务实但无私的政治活动家，在追求紧迫改革时牺牲了细节（和自己）。

📈 史蒂文森的核心信息是日益增长的贫富差距在经济和政治上不可持续，他能够向广大受众传达这个问题的严重性，尽管他坚称自己讨厌名声，不想推广他的畅销书或成为受欢迎的YouTuber，但他还是提醒我们他在街上被认出的频率和他频道每月获得的数百万观看量。

🎥 尽管史蒂文森的批评不在于他的既定目标，而在于他导师式的包装和不愿处理复杂性，但他拥有伦敦政治经济学院的教育背景，并且他的YouTube频道似乎有巨大的影响力，每月获得数百万的观看量，并且做出了惊人的预测。

In this exhausting deep dive, Matt and Chris take a break from counting their billionaire stipends to devote (what some might call) an inordinate amount of time to Gary Stevenson’s recent appearance with a challenging interviewer: Tomás from Despolariza. They grapple with the indeterminacy of Schrödinger’s Gary, who oscillates between being an economic and mathematical genius revealing what THEY don’t want you to know on YouTube, and a pragmatic but selfless political activist who oversimplifies complex problems and sacrifices nuance (and himself) in the name of urgent reform.

Despite insisting that he hates fame and has no desire to promote his best-selling book or be a popular YouTuber, Gary takes the time to remind us all of how often he’s recognised on the street and precisely how many millions of views his channel racks up each month. These are depressingly familiar guru tropes, as are his sweeping claims that you can’t trust politicians, economists, academics, journalists, the media, his old colleagues… or even graphs.

Gary’s core message that growing inequality is economically and politically unsustainable is an important one. And his ability to communicate the stakes of that problem to a large audience could be beneficial. So the criticism lies not with his stated goals but with the guru-tastic packaging and unwillingness to deal with complexity.

Luckily, there is a solution... Gary. Only he and his YouTube channel can save your grandchildren from abject poverty and Nigel Farage. And if you doubt him, just look at how many millions he made for himself and the bank with his uncanny predictions… or those monthly viewer stats. Oh, and did we mention he has an elite education from LSE?

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